Snapshot message send order / Bank + PC

[verchrona]

I am programming a panel for the ML10X switcher.

I made drop down menus for the Bank 1-4, and Program 0-127.

The strange thing about this unit is that it will not change Banks unless there is a Program Change message that is behind it. So when a snapshot is sent on startup, it wont change banks unless the Bank message arrives at the unit before the PC change.

Is there a way to order the list of messages that get sent to the hardware when snapshots are sent out?

A different solution is to program both the Bank and PC on the same dropdown menu, but I am new to CTRLR and haven't found a way to do that yet. I am assuming it is a Multi type message?

I would also love to know how to do a dropdown menu of the entire panel snapshots

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[dnaldoog]

Can you post your panel?

You probably need to use lua to do that, not the inbuilt snapshot function.

[verchrona]

Here is the panel

https://file.io/4go3FVpmzyuJ

Its very simple so far, the only thing I need to sort out the the bank first, then program change. As well has snapshot menu for recall (I plan to add more knobs for a couple different attached equipment. Would be very nice to have it all change at once from this editor)

[verchrona]

I just modified it a bit, where the Multi sends both CC bank change, and Program change. But the thing is that both values go up numerically:

Preset 000: Bank 0, Program 0
Preset 001: Bank 1, Program 1

Is there a way to tell the Multi that for the first 128 programs, it stays on CC 0 Value 0 to remain on bank 1? Then from 129-256, Value 1 to go to bank 2?

https://file.io/k1phnrZzpzfV

[dnaldoog]

Does this work?

it uses lua:

--
-- Called when a modulator value changes
-- @mod   http://ctrlr.org/api/class_ctrlr_modulator.html
-- @value    new numeric value of the modulator
--
sendCombinedMessage = function(--[[ CtrlrModulator --]] mod --[[ number --]], value --[[ number --]], source)
    if panel:getBootstrapState() then
        return
    end -- stop function from running onload
    local channelOut = panel:getProperty("panelMidiOutputChannelDevice")
    local statusByte = 0xB0 + (channelOut - 1) -- use this code for dynamic channel changes
    local midinumber = 0

    local bankChange = CtrlrMidiMessage({statusByte, midinumber, value})
    panel:sendMidiMessageNow(bankChange)

    -- now follow with program change

    statusByte = 0xC0 + (channelOut - 1) -- use this code for dynamic channel changes
    value = jmax(panel:getGlobalVariable(0), 0) -- if combo not set, value =-1 restrict to min 0
    --See Modulator attached to global variable in panel menu
    local programChange = CtrlrMidiMessage({statusByte, value})
    panel:sendMidiMessageNow(programChange)
end

---

Edit:

Ctrlr Panel_2.zip

[dnaldoog]

Do you mean this? I am getting confused 😕

    local channelOut = panel:getProperty("panelMidiOutputChannelDevice")
    local statusByte = 0xB0 + (channelOut - 1) -- use this code for dynamic channel changes
    local midinumber = tonumber(mod:getMidiMessage():getProperty("midiMessageCtrlrNumber")) 

[dnaldoog]

Here's a panel:

Ctrlr Panel_3.zip

[verchrona]

Sorry should have clarified. I modified this from your last upload. Basically, I duplicated everything. The top controls, I put on Channel 9. The bottom controls I put on Channel 10. The program change menus successfully are set to channels 9 and 10 and will output those correct channels on the Midi monitor. The Bank select menus are also set to channel 9 and 10, however both will continue to output on channel 4 (which is the Panel output channel) regardless if the override panel Midi Channel is selected.

https://file.io/ucdR3RP64W5I

[verchrona]

There is 1 more thing I just discovered, when I save a session in the DAW, the program change snapshot is sent on startup, but the Bank select does not.

For example, if the session is saved on Bank 1. Then I close the session, and change the bank. Then reopen the session, the Bank will not recall to Bank 1 as previously saved. Is there a way to have this sent in the session opening snapshot?

[dnaldoog]

The Bank select menus are also set to channel 9 and 10, however both will continue to output on channel 4 (which is the Panel output channel) regardless if the override panel Midi Channel is selected.

Is this intended? It's a bit ambiguous that sentence.

[verchrona]

OK, im getting closer... I got the Bank message to stay put, while the program change is moving up. However, I am not sure how to make the bank message go to bank 2 after program change 128

https://file.io/IqWL6rsiTRLy

[dnaldoog]

OK, im getting closer... I got the Bank message to stay put, while the program change is moving up. However, I am not sure how to make the bank message go to bank 2 after program change 128

The logic would be something like if value > 127 then bankMess=2 end

[dnaldoog]

There is 1 more thing I just discovered, when I save a session in the DAW, the program change snapshot is sent on startup, but the Bank select does not.

For example, if the session is saved on Bank 1. Then I close the session, and change the bank. Then reopen the session, the Bank will not recall to Bank 1 as previously saved. Is there a way to have this sent in the session opening snapshot?

Probably remove or comment out the line(s):

--if panel:getBootstrapState() then
--       return
--end

[verchrona]

Ok thanks for your help to bringing the panels this far into development! Hopefully others can chime in on how to figure out the jumbled midi messages from Patchwork or how to do a snapshot drop down menu.

[verchrona]

After hours of scouring for what was causing Patchwork to not recall the Panel states, I finally figured it out.

I forgot to activate "Send Snapshot on Program Change" in the Panel vst..... wow. It all works very well now when I change a Patchwork preset, it changes the settings on both the Guitar and Bass CTRLR panels at the same time.

What is a good recommended Panel snapshot delay time? I currently have it set to 10ms. Is that enough to not choke the units?

[dnaldoog]

That’s great! I have never used the snapshot send feature, so again I don’t know, but that would probably depend on the MIDI hardware, so if the panel were intended for others, maybe set up a slider to adjust that rate? My C-TX81Z panel has that feature.

[verchrona]

That's a cool panel. It has a lot of more complex controls than my simple one hah. Yeah, I think the 10ms is ok. I plan to make my Midi Translator Pro software double or triple all incoming messages to hardware so it makes sure all the data gets to the units and nothing gets dropped.

[dnaldoog]

Thank you! Good luck with it.